Monday, May 23, 2011

Phase One P65+ on a technical camera Part II

I've got 3-Schneider lenses that I use for my landscape work; 35, 72 and a short barrel 120; as I'm no longer shooting with a cropped back I need to re-educate myself on these lenses. An issue I had not heard of until recently dealt with "banding issues" or lens cast when using the 35mm at full shift.

What do you do in Arizona when you want to shoot landscape and the sky is cloudless and dull? Find something to shoot. I ended up inside a coral next to the Arizona Trail in Oracle AZ. While this mightn't be my first choice it did nevertheless afford me the chance to compare the P45+ to the newer P65+.

Set Up: Using a sturdy tripod with the Arca Swiss Cube I attached my Cambo WRS1000. I used the new Leica D5 laser to find a focal point (55') and began with the Schneider 35mm lens with center filter attached. I shot a LCC prior to each image using the P45+ then the P65+. Three images were captured, center, then 15mm left and right. I used the same movements on all three lenses. I also understand that 15mm shifts were to the extreme for the 35mm however I want to experience the outcome of the extreme movements.

The images provided here have had nothing done to them other than lens cast correction with color cast, light falloff and dust removal all in C1 Pro 6.2 (64 Bit). I also utilized the new "Technical Wideangle" choice in the dropdown menu.

The first image is the LCC of the P65+, 35mm 15mm shift right. Notice the banding on the right of the image. The second image is the same capture after running the lens correction in C1 Pro.

These next images are the LCC of the P45+, 35mm 15mm shift right, before and after the correction. And yes I see the dust spots in the first image!

The next image is the image shifted right without lens correction added and then with it added.  The purple/blue banding was noticed equally when shifted to the left.  Please note that while the color cast was correct the image is dark on the right edge which is I believe the result of the extreme amount of shifting; had this been moved to just 10mm we wouldn't have this issue.

I've also included the end results of the stitched panoramas with the first sample being from the P45+ and the second the P65+. The file sizes are interesting; the P45+ native image is 18.1"x38.8" and 360.52MB while the P65+ image is 46.6"x22.5" and 539.60MB. All the images have a resolution of 300PPI, 16 bit depth with RGB color mode and ProPhoto RGB color profile.



My findings: I can readily see the difference in color between the older Kodak sensor (P45+) and the newer Dalsa P65+. The colors seems to me to be more real with the P65+; and since there's no lens cropping the images are truer to the focal length used. All in all even though I need a little extra time in my workflow the end results are well worth it.

Next up will be the results from the 72 and 120mm lenses.



  1. Hi, please comment on your site whether the P65+ was as tack sharp at the edges as the P45+. My personal experience with the P65+ is that it's soft compared with the P40+ on wide angle lens at the edges. Haven't tested the Rodenstock 40mm f5.6 which was created for the larger sensor size.

  2. I shoot with a 3-lens kit all Schneider. The 35mm (w/CF), a 72mm and a short barrel 120mm.

    To answer your question, I feel the P65+ is just as sharp with my 3-lenses as they were with the P45+ and am extremely pleased. Two things immediately caught my attention as I was comparing files between the P45+ and P65+ namely lens coverage between an "almost full sensor" to a "full sensor" and the color differences between the Kodak (P45+) and Dalsa (P65+) sensors. I feel the Dalsa offers a richer color than the older Kodak. You on the other hand should notice the color difference since the P40+ and P65+ are both made by Dalsa.

    The difference you're seeing being the P40+ and the P65+ is probably due to the lens crop difference (P40+ is 1.3 while the P65+ is 1.0) My experience was moving from a 1.1 crop to a 1.0 which was less than yours.

    I feel you're right - we may have to relook at lenses being made specifically for the full size sensors as well as the huge amount of resolution now being offered.

    Thank you for your question and I hope I've answered it.


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